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		<title>Comment on Still Alive by Janelle</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/still-alive/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Janelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh huh.  I&#039;ve heard that before.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Quickie by tungtide</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/quickie/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>tungtide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this discussion is actually heading in a fun and interesting direction I&#039;m going to pull it up to the front page in a new post this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this discussion is actually heading in a fun and interesting direction I&#8217;m going to pull it up to the front page in a new post this weekend.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quickie by nell's dad</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/quickie/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>nell's dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At one point in my youth I considered myself an athiest. Then I decided that was too limiting an outlook for me. So, I decided to believe in the possibility of a creator (thereby becoming agnostic). Now that I am older, and have had more of a chance to think, dream, and study, I have changed to become a believer in a creator (with occasional doubts, of course!)

We take many things on faith. We believe the earth is round based on interpretive data, photographs, testimony, etc. We believe in neutrinos even though we have never seen one and most of us take it on faith that the existence of neutrinos is true, but have never seen the evidence of their existence. (I certainly haven&#039;t seen the tests, or even the test data, but believe in them because scientific logic tells me that they exist.)

Isn&#039;t it possible that religious faith is similar? There is no real conflict between creationism and evolution in my mind. I would recommend watching a DVD - &#039;The Case for a Creator&#039; if you truly have an open mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one point in my youth I considered myself an athiest. Then I decided that was too limiting an outlook for me. So, I decided to believe in the possibility of a creator (thereby becoming agnostic). Now that I am older, and have had more of a chance to think, dream, and study, I have changed to become a believer in a creator (with occasional doubts, of course!)</p>
<p>We take many things on faith. We believe the earth is round based on interpretive data, photographs, testimony, etc. We believe in neutrinos even though we have never seen one and most of us take it on faith that the existence of neutrinos is true, but have never seen the evidence of their existence. (I certainly haven&#8217;t seen the tests, or even the test data, but believe in them because scientific logic tells me that they exist.)</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it possible that religious faith is similar? There is no real conflict between creationism and evolution in my mind. I would recommend watching a DVD &#8211; &#8216;The Case for a Creator&#8217; if you truly have an open mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quickie by Janelle</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/quickie/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Janelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely question the validity of certain ideas, but I think that is the whole point.  Ideas are meant to be questioned and discussed, and like scientific hypothesis they can be dismissed as evidence again the idea arises.

There are so many religions, which God?  Again, I don&#039;t think that is something humans are meant to know based on the mere concept of God.  

I respect that you are willing to look at new evidence and reconsider.  Many people aren&#039;t willing to do that.  

You said &quot;If new evidence arises...I will appropriately revise my beliefs.&quot;  To me, a belief needs to be formed based on existing evidence, not lack of evidence.  I believe the world is round in part because we have sent shuttles into space and photographed it.  But I don&#039;t dismiss the existence of God because we didn&#039;t seem him in the heavens above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely question the validity of certain ideas, but I think that is the whole point.  Ideas are meant to be questioned and discussed, and like scientific hypothesis they can be dismissed as evidence again the idea arises.</p>
<p>There are so many religions, which God?  Again, I don&#8217;t think that is something humans are meant to know based on the mere concept of God.  </p>
<p>I respect that you are willing to look at new evidence and reconsider.  Many people aren&#8217;t willing to do that.  </p>
<p>You said &#8220;If new evidence arises&#8230;I will appropriately revise my beliefs.&#8221;  To me, a belief needs to be formed based on existing evidence, not lack of evidence.  I believe the world is round in part because we have sent shuttles into space and photographed it.  But I don&#8217;t dismiss the existence of God because we didn&#8217;t seem him in the heavens above.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quickie by tungtide</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/quickie/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>tungtide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I look at the whole issue is rather straightforward: evidence does not exist that convinces me that god exists. If new evidence arises (due to being able to measure something that was unmeasurable before) that conflicts with my current understanding of the situation I will appropriately revise my beliefs. 

Dogma is one of my favorite movies because it brings up a number of good questions about the role of religion and the &quot;truth&quot; it claims to hold. I can completely understand the idea that god is something unknowable. The question then becomes which god? The god of the Christians is very different than the Hindus, and still separated from the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. 

I respect ideas, but question the validity of some. Not all opinions on a subject are equally valid or true. The ongoing &quot;debate&quot; between the concepts of evolution and intelligent design is an excellent example of an idea gone wrong. 

I put up today&#039;s LICD comic because it entertained me and fit in with some of the themes that I hit on with this blog. Ryan and Lar touch on a great variety of subjects and often do so without tact of any sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I look at the whole issue is rather straightforward: evidence does not exist that convinces me that god exists. If new evidence arises (due to being able to measure something that was unmeasurable before) that conflicts with my current understanding of the situation I will appropriately revise my beliefs. </p>
<p>Dogma is one of my favorite movies because it brings up a number of good questions about the role of religion and the &#8220;truth&#8221; it claims to hold. I can completely understand the idea that god is something unknowable. The question then becomes which god? The god of the Christians is very different than the Hindus, and still separated from the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. </p>
<p>I respect ideas, but question the validity of some. Not all opinions on a subject are equally valid or true. The ongoing &#8220;debate&#8221; between the concepts of evolution and intelligent design is an excellent example of an idea gone wrong. </p>
<p>I put up today&#8217;s LICD comic because it entertained me and fit in with some of the themes that I hit on with this blog. Ryan and Lar touch on a great variety of subjects and often do so without tact of any sort.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quickie by Janelle</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/quickie/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Janelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You posted from this comic strip before, so I went to their site and scrolled through a bunch.  I was surprised at how anti-agnostic they were, implying that agnostics are really atheists that don&#039;t want to upset Christians.  If I had to define my religious views, I guess I would say it is agnostic, but not for that reason.  I just think it is rather arrogant to claim absolute knowledge of the existence or non-existence of God unless He/She/It came directly to you and said &quot;I exist.&quot;  Christianity is relying on the Bible, what religious leaders tell them and blind faith to support their belief, and atheists are relying on a lack of scientific evidence to support theirs.  I interpret the idea of God as something beyond our Earthly understanding.  Based on that interpretation, how is it possible to understand on Earth what God is, what God wants, or what comes after death?  Conversely, how can you claim God doesn’t exist when the “evidence” you seek may be beyond our Earthly means to measure?  As suggested in Kevin Smith’s movie Dogma, isn’t it better to just have an idea?  Maybe people are frightened by uncertainty, but I think uncertainty is respectful to both God and science.  Respect to God, because I’m not claiming to know something that is beyond knowing.  Respect to science because history shows that things once beyond our ability to measure can later be shown to exist.  (Example: neutrinos.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You posted from this comic strip before, so I went to their site and scrolled through a bunch.  I was surprised at how anti-agnostic they were, implying that agnostics are really atheists that don&#8217;t want to upset Christians.  If I had to define my religious views, I guess I would say it is agnostic, but not for that reason.  I just think it is rather arrogant to claim absolute knowledge of the existence or non-existence of God unless He/She/It came directly to you and said &#8220;I exist.&#8221;  Christianity is relying on the Bible, what religious leaders tell them and blind faith to support their belief, and atheists are relying on a lack of scientific evidence to support theirs.  I interpret the idea of God as something beyond our Earthly understanding.  Based on that interpretation, how is it possible to understand on Earth what God is, what God wants, or what comes after death?  Conversely, how can you claim God doesn’t exist when the “evidence” you seek may be beyond our Earthly means to measure?  As suggested in Kevin Smith’s movie Dogma, isn’t it better to just have an idea?  Maybe people are frightened by uncertainty, but I think uncertainty is respectful to both God and science.  Respect to God, because I’m not claiming to know something that is beyond knowing.  Respect to science because history shows that things once beyond our ability to measure can later be shown to exist.  (Example: neutrinos.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clauses by tungtide</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/clauses/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>tungtide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ambassador, 

As you rightly know you and I have rather opposing views on many subjects but I think we&#039;re in agreement here: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess I feel that if a hospital or doctor has moral objections to the procedure or medication, then it should be that doctor/hospital’s responsibility to refer them to someone else&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t want to force a doctor or hospital to perform a procedure, but opposition to a procedure should not prevent a patient from getting proper care or information about available care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambassador, </p>
<p>As you rightly know you and I have rather opposing views on many subjects but I think we&#8217;re in agreement here: </p>
<blockquote><p>I guess I feel that if a hospital or doctor has moral objections to the procedure or medication, then it should be that doctor/hospital’s responsibility to refer them to someone else</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to force a doctor or hospital to perform a procedure, but opposition to a procedure should not prevent a patient from getting proper care or information about available care.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clauses by Ambassador</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/clauses/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambassador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I am going to be one of those annoying persons who log in and take a poll only to select &quot;no opinion&quot; on every question.  They really piss me off but I digress.  

After reading your blog, I couldn&#039;t help but be reminded of a Boston Legal episode (I love that show, even though I disagree with their political views) where a girl was raped and beaten and was taken to a hospital for treatment.  The doctor&#039;s there could not prescribe the &quot;morning after pill&quot; as it was a Catholic hospital.  Because of her injuries, she was not released for several days and by that time, she was not able to use the morning after pill.  Needless to say, she was against abortions and so she was carrying the rapist&#039;s baby.  The doctor&#039;s in this story would not release her or refer her to another hospital where they could prescribe the pill.  

In this case, I guess I feel that if a hospital or doctor has moral objections to the procedure or medication, then it should be that doctor/hospital&#039;s responsibility to refer them to someone else.  I do think it is wrong to deny treatment to someone in the aggregate but I don&#039;t really have a problem with an individual doctor not providing the treatment... as long as they refer them to someone else who would not have an objection.  Who know, I am probably not making any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I am going to be one of those annoying persons who log in and take a poll only to select &#8220;no opinion&#8221; on every question.  They really piss me off but I digress.  </p>
<p>After reading your blog, I couldn&#8217;t help but be reminded of a Boston Legal episode (I love that show, even though I disagree with their political views) where a girl was raped and beaten and was taken to a hospital for treatment.  The doctor&#8217;s there could not prescribe the &#8220;morning after pill&#8221; as it was a Catholic hospital.  Because of her injuries, she was not released for several days and by that time, she was not able to use the morning after pill.  Needless to say, she was against abortions and so she was carrying the rapist&#8217;s baby.  The doctor&#8217;s in this story would not release her or refer her to another hospital where they could prescribe the pill.  </p>
<p>In this case, I guess I feel that if a hospital or doctor has moral objections to the procedure or medication, then it should be that doctor/hospital&#8217;s responsibility to refer them to someone else.  I do think it is wrong to deny treatment to someone in the aggregate but I don&#8217;t really have a problem with an individual doctor not providing the treatment&#8230; as long as they refer them to someone else who would not have an objection.  Who know, I am probably not making any sense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Return by imemerson</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/return/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>imemerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes...the science is lacking.  I&#039;ve started to a get together some questions and will be posting answers.  I added some stuff to your answer to Adam&#039;s question in a separate response.  I&#039;ve been a pretty big slacker lately but I&#039;m ready to get back to work.  Welcome back from vacation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8230;the science is lacking.  I&#8217;ve started to a get together some questions and will be posting answers.  I added some stuff to your answer to Adam&#8217;s question in a separate response.  I&#8217;ve been a pretty big slacker lately but I&#8217;m ready to get back to work.  Welcome back from vacation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Response by tungtide</title>
		<link>http://tungtide.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/a-response/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>tungtide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TonyP

First off, I&#039;d like to see what evidence you&#039;re using to support the assertion that Webster Cook is a nutjob or idiot. 

Anyone who has grown up in a non-Catholic religion would likely be interested in the ritual and objects involved in the sacrament of communion. While I don&#039;t know the details about the friend who was interested in seeing the eucharist, it&#039;s quite possible that he falls into my definition. If, having never experienced the Catholic religion, he was interested, he may also have had a fear of going himself and/or talking with a priest. 

Again, my knowledge of the details is incomplete (and I&#039;ll gladly accept any correction) but I don&#039;t believe that Cook disrupted the mass in any significant way. Certainly, it was not his intention to do so. He was a threatened party following his actions. Death threats and threats of physical violence are unacceptable. I make no qualifications there, the religious aspect is irrelevant. 

The guarantees in the Constitution allow freedom to practice a religion and the separation of religion from the government. Religion does not get a free pass and is not allowed to do anything it wants under the umbrella of &quot;religious belief.&quot; I still fail to see how Cook&#039;s actions would be harassment and how they interfered with the ability of Catholics to practice their religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TonyP</p>
<p>First off, I&#8217;d like to see what evidence you&#8217;re using to support the assertion that Webster Cook is a nutjob or idiot. </p>
<p>Anyone who has grown up in a non-Catholic religion would likely be interested in the ritual and objects involved in the sacrament of communion. While I don&#8217;t know the details about the friend who was interested in seeing the eucharist, it&#8217;s quite possible that he falls into my definition. If, having never experienced the Catholic religion, he was interested, he may also have had a fear of going himself and/or talking with a priest. </p>
<p>Again, my knowledge of the details is incomplete (and I&#8217;ll gladly accept any correction) but I don&#8217;t believe that Cook disrupted the mass in any significant way. Certainly, it was not his intention to do so. He was a threatened party following his actions. Death threats and threats of physical violence are unacceptable. I make no qualifications there, the religious aspect is irrelevant. </p>
<p>The guarantees in the Constitution allow freedom to practice a religion and the separation of religion from the government. Religion does not get a free pass and is not allowed to do anything it wants under the umbrella of &#8220;religious belief.&#8221; I still fail to see how Cook&#8217;s actions would be harassment and how they interfered with the ability of Catholics to practice their religion.</p>
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